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schan-user: Mail an neue/alte Domain

To: "Schan, User" <schan-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: schan-user: Mail an neue/alte Domain
From: Dieter.Spiess@xxxxxxxxxxx (Dieter.Spiess)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:36:44 +0200
Liebe Mitstreiter,

ein altes Problem leider noch nicht ausgestanden:

Bis zu den Sommerferien hatte wir Arktur 2 laufen
mit der Mail-Domain
    *@schulname.kreis.land.schule.de
Jetzt habe ich neu installiert Arktur 3
mit der Mail-Domain
    *@schulname.de    (bei WinShuttle)

WinShuttle sichert mir zu, dass die Mails zu beiden
Domains über UUCP an uns übertragen werden.
Schicke ich jedoch eine Mail an mich selbst in der 
Schule mit der alten langen Adresse, dann kommt sie
irgendwann zurück mit "Too many hops ..."

Also erreichen den Empfänger nur die Mails
an die neue Domain, viele Mails an die alte Domain
ersehe ich in /var/log/mail, also müssen sie wohl
ankommen, aber nicht verteilt werden.

Schon die erste Frage: 
Wo bleiben diese Mails eigentlich auf Arktur ?

Zweite Frage:
Der Mailaustausch benötigt jedesmal ca. 30 min und mehr.
Wird da unnötig die nicht zustellbare Post hin- und
hergeschaufelt ?


Reiner gab zur Lösung folgende Vorschläge:
-------
Anpassung von /etc/mail/my_domains:
es steht schon  schule.de
                Arktur.schule.de
zusätzlich      schule.kreis.land.schule.de

Anpassung von /etc/mail/localdomains:
es steht schon  Arktur.schule.de
zusätzlich      schule.kreis.land.schule.de

sendmail reload
-------

Damit erreiche ich, dass Mail an die alte Domain
im Intranet auch richtig zugestellt wird, soweit der
user existiert. Für die externe Post gilt das 
jedoch nicht.

Dritte Frage:
Was kann man noch tun ?

Aus einem Thread vor kurzer Zeit erinnere ich,
dass andere das Post-Problem mit 2 Domains
ebenfalls beschäftigt. Wie ist bei euch der Stand ?

Vielleicht können die Experten aus zwei Beispielen
von "Fehlmails" an postmaster etwas ersehen ?
Ich hänge sie mal dran, auch wenn diese Mail dann 
etwas länger wird. Bitte um Gnade!!  ;-)).

-- 
Gruß
Dieter Spieß

Mail: mailto:Dieter.Spiess@xxxxxxxxxxx
Home: http://www.dieter-spiess.de


******************************************************
Anhang 1:

Betreff: 
       Returned mail: Too many hops 26 (25 max): from
       owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx via localhost, to
       postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Datum: 
       Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:27:49 +0200
   Von: 
       Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxx>
    An: 
       owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, postmaster@xxxxxxx

The original message was received at Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:27:48
+0200
>from uucp@localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 Too many hops 26 (25 max): from
owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx via localhost, to
postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Reporting-MTA: dns; Arktur.dbgq.de
Arrival-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:27:48 +0200

Final-Recipient: X-UUCP; postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Action: failed
Status: 5.4.6
Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:27:49 +0200

Return-Path: <owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by Arktur.dbgq.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id OAA29486
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Fri, 25 Aug 2000
14:27:48
+0200
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id
JAA06070
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Fri, 25 Aug 2000
09:55:33
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by Arktur.dbgq.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id HAA25433
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Fri, 25 Aug 2000
07:22:41
+0200
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id
GAA29794
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Fri, 25 Aug 2000
06:55:59
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by Arktur.dbgq.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id DAA23215
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Fri, 25 Aug 2000
03:45:31
+0200
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id
SAA07962
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Thu, 24 Aug 2000
18:27:55
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by Arktur.dbgq.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id OAA15307
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Thu, 24 Aug 2000
14:13:34
+0200
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id
JAA17633
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Thu, 24 Aug 2000
09:49:21
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by Arktur.dbgq.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id HAA10313
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Thu, 24 Aug 2000
07:14:41
+0200
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id
DAA06539
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Thu, 24 Aug 2000
03:27:19
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by Arktur.dbgq.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id TAA01344
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Wed, 23 Aug 2000
19:02:59
+0200
Received: from oldenburg2.shuttle.de (oldenburg2.shuttle.de
[195.37.240.17])
        by berlin.shuttle.de (Postfix) with ESMTP
        id 84E4ACF4B9; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:09:11 +0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from majordomo@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07349
        for kundeninfo-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:02:09 +0200
(MET
DST)
Received: from berlin.shuttle.de (berlin.shuttle.de
[194.95.246.252])
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
SAA07345
        for <kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000
18:02:06
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: from ltbzs1.ltbz.de (p124.dd.shuttle.de
[194.95.241.124])
        by berlin.shuttle.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DC1CF464
        for <kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000
18:02:00
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: from ltbzs1 ([192.168.5.1]) by ltbzs1.ltbz.de with SMTP
(Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21)
        id 34H6K6MD; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:00:09 +0200
Delivered-To: uu2019@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Received: from oldenburg2.shuttle.de (oldenburg2.shuttle.de
[195.37.240.17])
        by berlin.shuttle.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AE1CF3A3
        for <kontakt@xxxxxxx>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:44:14 +0200
(MET DST)
Received: (from majordomo@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03575
        for kundeninfo-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:58:49 +0200
(MET
DST)
Received: from mailout00.sul.t-online.com
(mailout00.sul.t-online.com
[194.25.134.16])
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
QAA03564
        for <kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000
16:58:46
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: from fmrl00.sul.t-online.de 
        by mailout00.sul.t-online.com with smtp 
        id 13FeGD-0006rX-00; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:58:45 +0200
Received: from Server.sr (702800001710-0001@[62.224.207.21]) by
fmrl00.sul.t-online.com
        with esmtp id 13FeG9-0GTHdoa; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:58:41
+0200
Received: from Server (Server.sr [192.168.0.100]) by Server.sr
with SMTP
(Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21)
        id PKZX15YQ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:00:03 +0200
Delivered-To: hk1043@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Received: from oldenburg2.shuttle.de (oldenburg2.shuttle.de
[195.37.240.17])
        by stuttgart.shuttle.de (Postfix) with ESMTP
        id 076FE4AC45; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:26:29 +0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from majordomo@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28258
        for kundeninfo-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:09:24 +0200
(MET
DST)
X-Envelope-To: <kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Received: from murphy.shuttle.de (IDENT:root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[193.174.247.151])
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
PAA28253
        for <kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000
15:09:22
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from rdae@localhost)
        by murphy.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09686
        for kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Fri, 21 Jul 2000
15:09:17
+0200
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:09:17 +0200
From: WiNShuttle Hotline <hotline@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Kundeninfo <kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Domainpaket fuer Schulen/Speicherplatzerhoehung
Message-ID: <20000721150917.A9679@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1us
Organization: WiNShuttle - Ihr Anschluss an das Deutsche
Forschungsnetz
X-Sender: 702800001710-0001@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sender: owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: hotline@xxxxxxxxxx

*****************************************
Anhang 2:

Betreff: 
       Returned mail: Data format error
 Datum: 
       Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:09:52 +0200 (MET DST)
   Von: 
       MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    An: 
       MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxx

The original message was received at Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:16:27
+0200 (MET
DST)
>from uucp@localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
post@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    (expanded from: owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxx
    (expanded from: owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to knecht.shuttle.de.:
>>> MAIL From:<MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> SIZE=6240
<<< 501 <MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>... Sender domain must
exist
501 post@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx... Data format error
... while talking to knecht.shuttle.de.:
>>> MAIL From:<MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> SIZE=6240
<<< 501 <MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>... Sender domain must
exist
501 kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxx... Data format error

Reporting-MTA: dns; oldenburg2.shuttle.de
Arrival-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:16:27 +0200 (MET DST)

Final-Recipient: X-UUCP; owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
X-Actual-Recipient: X-UUCP; post@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Action: failed
Status: 5.5.2
Remote-MTA: DNS; knecht.shuttle.de
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 501 <MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>...
Sender
domain must exist
Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:09:51 +0200 (MET DST)

Final-Recipient: X-UUCP; owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
X-Actual-Recipient: X-UUCP; kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxx
Action: failed
Status: 5.5.2
Remote-MTA: DNS; knecht.shuttle.de
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 501 <MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>...
Sender
domain must exist
Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:09:52 +0200 (MET DST)


 Betreff: 
       Returned mail: Too many hops 26 (25 max): from
       owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx via localhost, to
       postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Datum: 
       Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:27:49 +0200
   Von: 
       Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxx>
    An: 
       owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, postmaster@xxxxxxx

The original message was received at Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:27:48
+0200
>from uucp@localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 Too many hops 26 (25 max): from
owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx via localhost, to
postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Reporting-MTA: dns; Arktur.dbgq.de
Arrival-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:27:48 +0200

Final-Recipient: X-UUCP; postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Action: failed
Status: 5.4.6
Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:27:49 +0200


Return-Path: <owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by Arktur.dbgq.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id OAA29486
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Fri, 25 Aug 2000
14:27:48
+0200
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id
JAA06070
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Fri, 25 Aug 2000
09:55:33
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by Arktur.dbgq.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id HAA25433
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Fri, 25 Aug 2000
07:22:41
+0200
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id
GAA29794
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Fri, 25 Aug 2000
06:55:59
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by Arktur.dbgq.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id DAA23215
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Fri, 25 Aug 2000
03:45:31
+0200
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id
SAA07962
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Thu, 24 Aug 2000
18:27:55
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by Arktur.dbgq.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id OAA15307
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Thu, 24 Aug 2000
14:13:34
+0200
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id
JAA17633
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Thu, 24 Aug 2000
09:49:21
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by Arktur.dbgq.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id HAA10313
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Thu, 24 Aug 2000
07:14:41
+0200
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id
DAA06539
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Thu, 24 Aug 2000
03:27:19
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from uucp@localhost)
        by Arktur.dbgq.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id TAA01344
        for postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Wed, 23 Aug 2000
19:02:59
+0200
Received: from oldenburg2.shuttle.de (oldenburg2.shuttle.de
[195.37.240.17])
        by berlin.shuttle.de (Postfix) with ESMTP
        id 84E4ACF4B9; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:09:11 +0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from majordomo@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07349
        for kundeninfo-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:02:09 +0200
(MET
DST)
Received: from berlin.shuttle.de (berlin.shuttle.de
[194.95.246.252])
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
SAA07345
        for <kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000
18:02:06
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: from ltbzs1.ltbz.de (p124.dd.shuttle.de
[194.95.241.124])
        by berlin.shuttle.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DC1CF464
        for <kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000
18:02:00
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: from ltbzs1 ([192.168.5.1]) by ltbzs1.ltbz.de with SMTP
(Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21)
        id 34H6K6MD; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:00:09 +0200
Delivered-To: uu2019@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Received: from oldenburg2.shuttle.de (oldenburg2.shuttle.de
[195.37.240.17])
        by berlin.shuttle.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AE1CF3A3
        for <kontakt@xxxxxxx>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:44:14 +0200
(MET DST)
Received: (from majordomo@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03575
        for kundeninfo-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:58:49 +0200
(MET
DST)
Received: from mailout00.sul.t-online.com
(mailout00.sul.t-online.com
[194.25.134.16])
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
QAA03564
        for <kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000
16:58:46
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: from fmrl00.sul.t-online.de 
        by mailout00.sul.t-online.com with smtp 
        id 13FeGD-0006rX-00; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:58:45 +0200
Received: from Server.sr (702800001710-0001@[62.224.207.21]) by
fmrl00.sul.t-online.com
        with esmtp id 13FeG9-0GTHdoa; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:58:41
+0200
Received: from Server (Server.sr [192.168.0.100]) by Server.sr
with SMTP
(Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21)
        id PKZX15YQ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:00:03 +0200
Delivered-To: hk1043@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Received: from oldenburg2.shuttle.de (oldenburg2.shuttle.de
[195.37.240.17])
        by stuttgart.shuttle.de (Postfix) with ESMTP
        id 076FE4AC45; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:26:29 +0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from majordomo@localhost)
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28258
        for kundeninfo-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:09:24 +0200
(MET
DST)
X-Envelope-To: <kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Received: from murphy.shuttle.de (IDENT:root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[193.174.247.151])
        by oldenburg2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
PAA28253
        for <kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000
15:09:22
+0200 (MET DST)
Received: (from rdae@localhost)
        by murphy.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09686
        for kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Fri, 21 Jul 2000
15:09:17
+0200
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:09:17 +0200
From: WiNShuttle Hotline <hotline@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Kundeninfo <kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Domainpaket fuer Schulen/Speicherplatzerhoehung
Message-ID: <20000721150917.A9679@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1us
Organization: WiNShuttle - Ihr Anschluss an das Deutsche
Forschungsnetz
X-Sender: 702800001710-0001@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sender: owner-kundeninfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: hotline@xxxxxxxxxx

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